posted 07-02-98 08:33 AM         

Spiceboy - once again you came through with the best, underground method! You are the bomb (No pun intended)!

Geez, I'm all asunder...

posted 07-02-98 11:23 AM         

Osmium: you say "possibility to recover the catalysts". Does this mean you aren't actually recovering them? But if you are recovering them, what cleanup and re-chlorination method are you using?

posted 07-02-98 12:14 PM         

Spiceboy - What if you used more O2 (~50% mix), and a stirbar on high, so that the vortex sucks the gas into the liquid?

Just a thought.... Good work man! I think you and Osmium have personally solved most of our problems. I can't wait for Strike to see this.... he's gonna shit.

Anyway just here to give Spiceboy a nod and wink of apreciation. This is going to be a VERY popular underground amphetamine method indeed!

Here is the answer to yo' questions, dude. Plastic ain't plastic ain't plastic folks. This is VERY generalized statement to say ketones eat plastics. Solvation of any solid system is a function of polarity of both solvent and solute. We be talking about EXTREMELY high molecular weight stuff here with these plastics and shit. All kinds of narrow and broad molecular weight distributions and all different kinds of chemistries. As the more common types we have polyolefins (polyethylene (PE) - comopsed of high density, low density, linear low density and mettalocene narrow molecular weight distribution series, and polypropylene), polystyrenes (PS and high impact (hips)), polyesters, every fuckin nylon in the fucking world (66, 6, 6-10, 6-12, etc...), blah, blah, blah. These are just the most common thermoplstics. Then one has liquid crystal polymers and other thermosets. Point is this...ketones will solvate polystyrenes (in general). Put a drop of nail polish remover on a CD case and watch it etch the shit out of it. ALL of the polyolefins (PE,PP,etc) are EXTREMELY chemnicially resistant if not down right chmiscally inert (well not exactly)- this has more to do with cystallinity and morphology and such of the systems as well as polarity.
Eleusis' balance was obviously made from injection molded polystyrene. That's why the ketone starting eating a hole in it. Quacks balance is made of injection molded PS. Ketones don't like the ducks balance either.

Hey, Spiceboy, theoretically, what were your yields from the subsequent aminations? Did you test ketone with bisulphite to check purity? How do you know you got ketone and not just unreacted safrole? Just asking...

Your questions are right on. The references I've read state continuous shaking is required. Spiceboy, your progress is motivational to all that read these pages, however, a 80% yield is a bit over zealous. Was that 80% pre or post extraction. What method did you use to determine yield and purity? Was the ketone used in a successful reduction? If so what were the yields, what reduction was used?

Also, how much shaking did you do before immersing (sp) the SRV in the warm water... 5 minutes, 10 minutes, then place in water, then shake again?

posted 07-17-98 03:45 AM         

Can one use CuCl instead of CuCl2? Would one also use the same quantity?

What about adding the PdCl and CuCl together with some methanol, pressurize and shake until it goes green again, then add the Safrole and continue from there? Would there be any benefit?

posted 07-21-98 10:50 AM         

They used that. They've not paid as much attention to the reaction as Spiceboy, however. Less shaking, less re-pressurizing, less warming in warm water.

Spiceboy/Osmium: Should the Russians expect to see a color change? They said the reaction fluid currently bears a striking ressemblance to Coca Cola! Is this kosher?

Thanks folks :-) You're the bomb...